My guest today probably needs little introduction to most of you who are regulars to the blog. Debby Gies…D.G. Kaye is a very popular blogger and non-fiction author who generously supports us all across social media. We have been connected for nearly four years and that initial contact has turned into a friendship that is treasured. There is a lot of talk about online relationships not being as valid as offline friendships, but I disagree.
The wonder of our modern age is that when you meet someone like minded, who lives thousands of miles away, you can communicate both in writing and visually. Of course publicly on social media but also privately in direct messages, emails and face to face using Skype or similar.
For me that offers so many amazing ways to enjoy a friendship.
Debby has recently become a columnist here on the blog with her new Travel Column… and as a double treat this weekend, you can read her second post on the subject of cruise ships tomorrow morning.
About D.G. Kaye
Debby Gies is a Canadian nonfiction/memoir author who writes under the pen name of D.G. Kaye. She was born, raised, and resides in Toronto, Canada. Kaye writes about her life experiences, matters of the heart and women’s issues.
D.G. writes to inspire others. Her writing encompasses stories taken from events she encountered in her own life, and she shares the lessons taken from them. Her sunny outlook on life developed from learning to overcome challenges in her life, and finding the upside from those situations, while practicing gratitude for all the positives.
When Kaye isn’t writing intimate memoirs, she brings her natural sense of humor into her other works. She loves to laugh and self- medicate with a daily dose of humor.
I love to tell stories that have lessons in them, and hope to empower others by sharing my own experiences. I write raw and honest about my own experiences, hoping through my writing, that others can relate and find that there is always a choice to move from a negative space, and look for the positive.
Quotes:
“Live Laugh Love . . . And Don’t Forget to Breathe!”
“For every kindness, there should be kindness in return. Wouldn’t that just make the world right?”
When I’m not writing, I’m reading or quite possibly looking after some mundane thing in life. It’s also possible I may be on a secret getaway trip, as that is my passion—traveling.
Now time to find out which of the questions Debby has chosen to respond to and more about her books later in the post.
How would you describe your fashion sense?
I love this question and love fashion. I’m very up to date on trends in fashion. I’ve been a fashionista since I was a young girl. That doesn’t mean that I would wear all the fashions I love, not everything looks good on everyone. There are plenty of styles and trends I adore, but know instinctively that not all styles are made for my body shape. Some trends are more suited toward a particular body type despite them being advertised in a wide array of sizes.
Fashion sense isn’t only about what’s on trend but being aware of what is stylish and knowing how to put ourselves together with what looks best on us. I’ve had several years of experience in the retail and wholesale end of the clothing business and besides what I learned in the biz, I am gifted with an eye for style. I have a style of my own. I wear what pleases me, and I look for styles that will accentuate my finer qualities and keep the eyes drawn off the maybe-not-so finer qualities. I’m often complimented on my outfits and flair for style. I love wearing bright and bold colors, which I can pull off with ease because I have a big personality that can carry it.
Sally here: one of my favourite photos of Debby dressed for her Mexican vacation… fabulous.
What are 5 things you would find in your handbag?
Whew, I’m glad you only asked for 5, lol. I have a standing joke that if I ever went on that (old) TV game show – Let’s Make a Deal, I’d never be without something they’d asked the audience to produce from a purse.
- Ok, I’ll start with gum. Gum is numero uno priority in my purse – always
- Next, lipstick. Oh yes, even if I dared to venture anywhere without make up on, never will you find me without wearing lipstick
- Kleenex – self explanatory
- Sunglasses. As long as the sun is shining, I’m wearing them. Not only are they fun and fashionable, but mine are all prescription so they are functional and good for watching people without being detected
- Mobile phone. I don’t leave home without it. Not that I’m much of a phone talker, but good for emergency calls, Google maps if I get lost, and of course my trusted built in camera for capturing memorable moments.
One of Debby’s memorable moments when in Mexico recently.
Do you have a favorite childhood song?
Yes, I do. Louis Armstrong’s – What a Wonderful World. That song just brings warmth in my heart every time I hear it. When I was a child while in the car with my dad, I remember that song being popular and played often. I don’t even know why it resonated with me so much as a child, but I can say how big that song became with me since my father passed away. I don’t hear that song played too often, but when I do, I stop in pause and look up above to acknowledge my father, feeling as though he’s saying hello to me, letting me know he’s still around.
What’s your favorite TV show and why?
My favorite TV show has been Grey’s Anatomy since its inception 13 seasons ago. I’ve never missed an episode. I’ve always enjoyed watching medical series on TV going all the way back to the Dr. Kildare days. I may have watched every doctor series through the years, but I was instantly hooked on Grey’s because of the interaction with the doctors and their relationships with both, patients and in their own personal lives. Despite the show being based in a hospital environment, the stories involve a compassionate look into patient/doctor relations, doctor/doctor relationships, and love relationships among the doctors.
Grey’s is a heartfelt show with a cast of characters who have become like friends and family to me over the years. I laugh and cry with them and can’t recall too many episodes I didn’t need a Kleenex to watch whether for happy or sad tears. The show’s writers know how to entertain and touch our hearts and there are plenty of Grey’s fans around the world, unsurprisingly.
Sally here: I have also watched Greys since the start.. and I used to sneak down and watch Dr. Kildare through the crack in the door.. had a massive crush on Richard Chamberlain.
Have you ever played a musical instrument or sang in public?
I sure have done both. When I was a child I took piano lessons. That was organized by my paternal grandmother, who despite there being no real love between us, I know she tried to compensate for the lack of activities any of us children were enrolled in. Sadly, my stubbornness not to conform to anything she wanted for me, had me bailing from piano lessons as though they were a punishment.
Ironically, I was born with an ear for music and gifted with a lovely voice. My dream was to become a singer. Once I left home at 18, I pursued by dreams of ‘stardom’. I actually took 3 years of voice training at university, hung out with musicians, was in a band for a couple years, made some demo tapes hoping to be discovered, but getting discovered in Toronto, Canada in the late 70s/early 80s was a tough situation as the music industry was hot in the US, but more difficult to get anything going in Canada.
I had several auditions, hoping to go to New York and latch on to an agent, but once again my stubbornness ended that when I discovered there was a lot of sliminess in the music industry. I began to feel as though it wasn’t about how talented we were, but more about connections – who we knew that could further us ahead. And of course, there were those who dangled promises of advancement for a price. I wasn’t about to use my body to get ahead. I realized I’d given that industry my best shots, had some fun years doing the club circuit, and finally packed it in.
Sally here: I am sorry that there is no video of Debby singing.. but I am sure that had this been today with all the platforms to share music, that she would have been a star in the music industry too.
More about Debby and her books with a recent review for her memoir P.S. I Forgive You.
About the book
“I hurt for her. She wasn’t much of a mother, but she was still my mother.”
Confronted with resurfacing feelings of guilt, D.G. Kaye is tormented by her decision to remain estranged from her dying emotionally abusive mother after resolving to banish her years ago, an event she has shared in her book Conflicted Hearts. In P.S. I Forgive You, Kaye takes us on a compelling heartfelt journey as she seeks to understand the roots of her mother’s narcissism, let go of past hurts, and find forgiveness for both her mother and herself.
After struggling for decades to break free, Kaye has severed the unhealthy ties that bound her to her dominating mother—but now Kaye battles new confliction, as the guilt she harbors over her decision only increases as the end of her mother’s life draws near. Kaye once again struggles with her conscience and her feelings of being obligated to return to a painful past she thought she left behind.
One of the recent reviews for the book
The author’s honest account of her relationship with her mother is a deeply emotional read. The unresolved longing of being loved by the person who, by nature, is the most capable of it.
A thought itself of such a mother D.G. Kaye was unfortunate to have is disturbing. Yet I can’t help but express my sadness about her mother’s plight while she, herself, was a victim of the unloving family.
The scene where the mother wanted to console her daughter at the news of her (daughter’s) upcoming heart surgery and was denied by her broke my heart.
I think the book will appeal to the broad readership – who suffered in a dysfunctional family may find inspiration in the D.G. Kaye’s story, who grew up in a loving family may appreciate it even deeper.
Read the reviews and buy the book: https://www.amazon.com/P-S-Forgive-You-Broken-Legacy-ebook/dp/B01LWOYPRP/
And Amazon UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/P-S-Forgive-You-Broken-Legacy-ebook/dp/B01LWOYPRP/
Other books by D.G. Kaye
Read all the reviews and buy the books: http://www.amazon.com/author/dgkaye7
and Amazon UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/D.G.-Kaye/e/B00HE028FO
More reviews and follow Debby on Goodreads: http://www.goodreads.com/dgkaye
Connect to Debby Gies
Blog: http://www.dgkayewriter.com
About me: http://www.wiseintro.co/dgkaye7
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/@pokercubster (yes there’s a story)
Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/dgkaye7
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/dgkaye
Google: http://www.google.com/+DebbyDGKayeGies
Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/dgkaye
Pinterest: http://www.pinterest.com/dgkaye7
Thank you for dropping in today and I know that Debby would love to receive your feedback.. It would be great if you could share the interview on your social media as well. Thanks Sally.
Fun interview! 🙂
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Thank you Bette.. hugsxx
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Thank you Bette ❤
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Thank you Debby and Sally. I was a big fan of Dr Kildare too. I can still remember the theme tune. Richard Chamberlain sure is cute 😍
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Hands off girl… xxx😆😆
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Lol Brigid, we’re giving away our ages. 🙂 x
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Loads of fun, here Ladies! LOVE the fashion sense. Your outfits (at least those you let us see you in) are so beautifully put together… did you ever think of working with others to help them make the most of their wardrobes? If you ever let us hear you sing, I’d be first in line. Cheers!
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Thanks Annette.. and I would think a makeover by Debby would give us all a boost… and yes we need to hear her sing.. and you for that matter.. hugsxx
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Just wait til we get together Sal! Lol 🙂 xoxo
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Oh… new me… xxx♥
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Lollllllllll 🙂 xoxo
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Lol, thanks sis. Maybe I’ll have to dig out those demo tapes out of the locker some day. And yes, I once thought seriously about becoming a personal shopper. Now I write books, lol. 🙂 ❤
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Ahhhh…Dr Kildare knew how to set young hearts aflutter… Great interview girls and what fun we could have if and when we meet we seem to have a fair bit of musical talent amongst us 🙂 xxx
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I think we have still got it Carol.. never say never… hugsxx
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I look forward to that..Hugs xxx
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Lol, I could just see you, me and Sal at the Karaoke machines! 🙂 ❤
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An all nighter….xx♥
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Lolllllllllllllllllll 🙂 ❤
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And shutting down now before it turns into an all nighter.. especially as you are up again in about 20 minutes… lol…….♥
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Yes..so could I and such fun and frolics…we should do it 🙂 ❤
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We better send a warning notice to the ship first before the three of us board! 😆 ♥
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HaHa… Hugs xx 😉
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I would love it! 🙂 ❤
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A lovely interview. Debby always looks gorgeous and I love her song choice – I love that song too.
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I think despite sometimes things not being as good as they might be.. it is still a wonderful world… glad you enjoyed Robbie. hugsxx
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Oh thanks bunches Robbie for your lovely compliments. 🙂 x
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This is an amazing interview with an amazing Debby Kaye. Thanks so much for an insight into this wonderful lady’s life. All the best to you, Sally and Debby.
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Thank you William.. delighted you enjoyed… she is one of a kind. hugsx
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Thank you so much for dropping by to visit here William and for your very kind words. 🙂 ❤
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What a fabulous interview, Sally and Debby! I didn’t know about Debby’s singing talents and career. Fascinating! I hope we’ll get to watch a video of her singing yet. ♥
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Thanks Olga and me too.. we might have to wait for that famous cruise we are planning and then you might see her in person….. ♥
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Lol Olga, maybe one day I’ll dig out the archives and have them converted! 🙂 ❤
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Lovely interview. I was a fan of Emergency Ward 10 and Dr Finlay’s Casebook! Now, it’s Holby City but the DH watches Grey’s Anatomy.
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I remember Emergency Ward 10 and Dr. Finlay’s Casebook.. the lovely Janet… it ran for a long time really 9 years.. xxx
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Thanks Mary. Those other shows you mention must be British because I’ve never heard of them. 🙂
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Yes, very British, Debby. Dr Finlay was Scottish. The lovely Janet, Sally mentioned, was the housekeeper.
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I’m sure I would have enjoyed them too. 🙂
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A fabulous interview Sally and Debby. I too loved Dr. Kildare and Dr. Ben Casey as a teenager. Your song choice is perfect, I have always loved that song and the fact that it connects you to your father makes it even more special. You always look amazing so your style sense works! You both rock!!!
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Thank you Darlene.. I am enjoying this series very much and love showing everyone off with some of their hidden benefits! hugsxx
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Thank you so much Darlene for your kind words. And yes, I forgot about Ben Casey, lol the good old days!!!! 🙂 x
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Dr. Kildare and Louis Armstrong!! I too was glued to every episode (major heartthrob). When my school had a video made of all the school does and it’s history, the opening played “What a Wonderful World”. I sobbed! Everyone starred at me bawling my eyes out. I love that song! Apologies for the rambling, and the interview was terrific. Always fun to learn more about good friends. ❤️
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Thanks so much Jennie. Now it’s good to know there would be a friend with tears around me when we hear that same song. ❤
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I feel the same way, Debby. ❤️
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Funny to think that we were thousands of miles apart but all with a crush on Dr. Kildare…. and that song must have been played millions of times. ♥
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It is something! Making more connections…I love it!
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Debbie is a wonderful writer, blogger, and is a wonderful presence on our social media. Debbie is a delight to know.
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And you are too kind Karen. 🙂 x
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I agree Karen and always something new to find out about her.. hugs
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Sally, that is true and she is pretty amazing…hugs to you too, my friend!
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Sal, one thousand thank yous for having me as guest featured here today. I feel like I’m in my own backyard here at your blog. ❤ xoxo And thank you again for the lovely introduction. ❤ ❤
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Delighted as always to have you over Debby you are one of the family… great comments. hugs ♥♥
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Well thanks for letting me feel like family Sal ❤ ❤
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Love your fashion sense Deb…it would be fun meeting you! You have great sense of humour! Stay blessed dear ladies.
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Thanks Balroop and it would be fun meeting Debby.. and one day we will get that together..xxx
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Thanks so much Balroop. At least you know you’d be laughing around me. 🙂
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What an interesting look into Debbie’s life. I like wearing bright colours, but I’m sure I don’t carry it off with the same style as Debbie.
I have to gloat that I was allowed to stay up and watch Doctor Kildare on a Friday evening, after ‘the younger ones’ were in bed. Mum and I used to tease Dad that he looked like Kildare, but without the hair!
I will enjoy reading Debiie’s travel notes as we have to get ourselves organised for a big trip next year; hopefully visitng family in the USA and Australia.
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Thank you Janet.. I visualise this legion of young teens all staring at the screen at the young blonde adonis…and as to your trip next year.. sounds fabulous. xx
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Thanks so much Janet. Sounds like an exciting trip you have planned. I hope I can send a couple of good tips your way, especially when Part 3 comes round with essential tips for travel. 🙂
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Lovely interview Debbie and Sally! It’s fun learning more about people we admire. I was forced into piano lessons as a child, also, and same as you, my stubbornness made me hate it. Sad really, because I love the piano today.
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Thanks Jacquie.. I think we all come back to certain things from our childhood. I hated the short hair that was foisted on me and my sisters and now have exactly the same hair cut!! xxx
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Thanks Jacquie. Sounds like we’re both a couple of stubborn mules when it comes to being told. Sadly, we both cut off our noses to spite our faces LOL 🙂
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So fun. I knew Debby was a fashionista, but I didn’t know she could sing! And I totally love the song choice – it matches her positive attitude. 🙂 I love this series, Sally. Wishing you both an awesome week. 🙂
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Thank you Diana.. if we ever do make that cruise I will need a makeover.. and she has offered… hugsxx
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Ha ha ha. I’m game. 🙂
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Thank you for the kudos Diana. Happy Sunday! 🙂 ❤
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Thank you for sharing Adele.. hugs xx
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Hugs to you too, Sally ❤
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I love your fashion style. one of the things my Mam always said, “make sure your hair is brushed, your face is washed and there are no holes in your clothes.”
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Thanks Adele.. and I am sure that your Mam would have been scandalised at the price they are charging for pre-ripped jeans! hugsxx
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lol she certainly would. xxxx
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Sounds like a wise woman Adele. And thanks so much for the reblog. ❤ xx
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She was, sis. ❤
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Lovely to see Debby here today, Sally! Thanks for such a great interview, jam-packed with good stuff! Debby, you and I may share a lot of things, but being a fashionista isn’t one of them. I have hated clothes shopping my entire life, even when I was young and slim enough for it to matter to me. I just wanted the clothes to appear at my house, without the hassle of going to a store and trying them on. And I’m happy to say I have lived long enough that it’s FINALLY happened! I LOVE it! 😀 I’m going to let you carry the banner on this one. (I’ll be the crazy lady in the woods, playing with snakes! 😀 😀 :D)
Seriously, I really enjoyed learning more about you, and I’d love to go digging through your purse! Mostly the only things in mine would be my wallet and my Kindle. Yours sounds much more interesting.
Super post, Ladies! 🙂 ❤
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Thank you Marcia…. and I have to admit to buying some summer tops from Amazon last month.. They were absolutely fine and have been wearing them ever since.. They even have designer stuff on there… who would have thought. Delighted you enjoyed… I had fun too. hugs ♥
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I do almost all of my shopping online these days. Hardly a day goes by that a box isn’t left at my door, with everything from clothes, to pet supplies, to books (of course), and hard to find items that just aren’t available in local stores. And all of it at better prices than elsewhere, and chosen from the comfort of my home. With FREE shipping as a bonus. I’ve died and gone to heaven! 😀
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I am with you Marcia.. but I do like an occasional browse… I love hardware stores (no idea why) Ikea and Marks & Spencer! hugs xx😆
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Lol you crack me up Marsh. I would have loved to have been your crazy shopper lady for you. I can imagine how I’d dress you up! Yes, you sure have the leg up on snakes, but that’s your department to educate us. 🙂 ❤
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Oh, you’d have your hands full shopping for me, girl. I will only wear one certain style of tops, and they have to be short sleeved and scoop necked, and never need to even see an iron. No dresses. No skirts. No heels. EVER. Nothing around my neck. I’m all about comfort in my old age, I’m afraid, and I can tell at one glance whether I’ll ever wear it or not. I don’t own a jacket or even a sweater. In fact, I don’t own a long-sleeved shirt. I’m a red, hot mama, I tell ya. You’d run screaming. But then again, since there are only about 4 approved styles on my shopping list, you’d get done in a hurry. Hahahahaha. And then we’d go hunting for snakes. Muah-hahahahahahahaha. 😀 ❤
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You are on your own with the snakes Marcia and good luck with dragging Debby after them!!! I take it that one of the four items is a pair of thigh length waders!!! hugs♥😆
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Lollllllllllllllllllll you are tooooooooooooo much! Sounds like you know what you like and that’s it. Well, good thing I don’t live close enough because I would do my best to expand your horizons lol. I do hear you though on the comfort choices, but you’d be surprised to know just how many options are out there and still offer comfort. 🙂 Okay, just sayin’, I’m done now. 🙂 🙂 🙂 ❤
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Oh, no, Sally. No waders for me. I do not go INTO the water intentionally for any reason, not even snakes. I do my snake admiring on dry ground, or from a canoe or boat. Even water snakes spend more time there than they do in water, anyway. But I have a guiding rule in all my ramblings: I do not swim in any body of water that isn’t enclosed in turquoise concrete! (It applies to wading, too!) 😀 Even I have my limits. 😀 (And I get it about Debby. She was, shall we say, less than thrilled when I told her that her favorite vacation state had by far the largest number of venomous snake species in the entire U.S. 😀 Florida is WAY down on the list, in spite of our reputation around here. So, I’m sure she’d send me off to snake watch while she headed for the clothing shops. 😀 Ah, women . . . in our infinite variety!
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PS, LOVE ya, Deb, even if you won’t go snaking with me. 😀 Happy shopping, my dear friend! ❤
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I’ll still take you on as a shopper client but that’s a negatory on snaking LOL 🙂 xoxo
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Sugar and spice… and all things nice…♥😆😆
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Loved this interview, and again more similarities come to the fore; I would never leave home without lip gloss and sunglasses! However, I hate handbags and tend to use a rucksack.
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Lol Stevie, you crack me up! 🙂 Thanks for sharing too 🙂 x
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One tries one’s best…
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Glad you enjoyed Stevie… all the more to put in Stevie… xx
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Thanks for sharing Stevie.. x
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You’re welcome!
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I am SO late to this party, but I’ve been out of town. This is a beautiful interview with a beautiful lady! I loved the photo of Debby in her Mexico tourist fashion shot. She is an incredible quintessential woman! Thanks, Sally and Debby!
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Thank you so much Jan. You are too kind. 🙂 x
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A writer with fashion sense, a rare bird, I would say. But that describes our glamorous Debby. It is a WONDERFUL world. Thanks Sally and Debby for making it more so!
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Glad you enjoyed Marian.. hugsx
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Aw, thanks bunches Marian. I try to keep my interests in many things. Of course, fashion counts! 🙂 x
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Hi Sally and Debby, Another great interview in the bag! You always look so chic Debby, but I was saddened to hear about your relationship with your mother. Life certainly is a roller coaster with some of us luckier than others You-re obviously a survivor blessed by a sense of humour. Full credit to you both. Hugs. xx.
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Thank you Joy… Debby has inspired us all with her resilience and memoirs.. hugsxx
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Hi Joy. Thanks for your lovely compliment. I’m not a complainer so I learned to roll with the punches. I guess I did survive my childhood, lol. And hey, if it wasn’t for a crappy mother, I may have never began writing – glass half full! 🙂 ❤
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Thank you for sharing Jack.. hugsx
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Thank you Jack 🙂
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Wow–more about Debby that I didn’t know! I can’t sing or play an instrument but I do have an eclectic music taste (more on that elsewhere). Nobody would ask me about fashion sense and I sure don’t carry a purse. LOL. But all that stuff is revealing about my friend DG. 🙂
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Thank you John.. delighted you enjoyed and it is great fun to learn more about our friends.. hugs
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Lol John. Thanks for chasing me down here. Ya, too many secrets being revealed, lol. And hey, at least you have a nice T-shirt Lmaooooo 🙂
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Great blog post, Sally. I loved knowing about Debby’s musical talents and her experience pursuing a career in that field. Sometimes, it’s hard to know when to let go. Hugs to both of you. xxx
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Thank you Carol…it is lovely to delve into people’s past and discover these lovely snippets.. I enjoy too.. hugs
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Thanks so much Carol. Lovely to see you here. ❤
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Laughing Out Loud: ” I love wearing bright and bold colors, which I can pull off with ease because I have a big personality that can carry it.” This is the greatest line, Debby! I’m over here laughing in California, all because of your inimitable wit! (Slainte, Sally 🙂
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That’s what we like to hear Claire… hugs xxxx
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Fascinating interview! I enjoyed learning more about Debby. Great questions and answers. You are a remarkable woman, Deb! Didn’t your heart break when George Clooney left Grey’s? I was devastated and stopped watching the show. I wish there was video of you singing in the band and doing gigs. This was so much fun! Thank you, Debby and Sally! ❤ xx
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I very much enjoyed your questions and Debby’s responses, Sally. I’m not a fashionista like Debby but I do carry the five things listed in my handbag, though I carry mints rather than gum. I’m not a gum lover. However I do love that song of Louis Armstrong and, like Debby, have to stop and listen every time I hear it. I played the video all the way through marvelling at his voice and how sincere he seems to be with the words. It is a beautiful world and it is our responsibility to keep it so. We’re not doing such a good job in some areas at the moment. Maybe we could talk Debby into providing us all with a little musical video of her singing her favourite song. 🙂
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Delighted you enjoyed Norah and agree the world has some challenges that need to be surmounted. And yes, would be great to see Debby in full voice… hugs xx
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I enjoyed reading your answers to Sally’s questions, Debby. It’s always interesting and entertaining to learn more about you – and other blogging friends – through interviews. Too bad there is no video of you singing. That would be a treat. And, I hear you about TV characters who have become like friends and family over the years. I don’t have a TV or watch many shows, but in the past, binge watching series on our external hard drive, I’ve had similar feelings about main characters in certain shows. I hope I never get asked what is in my handbag, because I rarely carry one.
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We don’t have television either and rely on Netflix etc and catch up on series all in one go… xx
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It’s lovely to learn more about beautiful Debby! I am not surprised that she can sing! She is so talented and gifted. I believe she could have been quite a success in whatever she wanted to do back then and now. Much love & hugs xx
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