Dodgy Book Promotion sites – The only numbers that are accurate are their prices.
First let me say that I am fully aware that there are established book marketing websites with testimonials as to their effectiveness. Prices will range depending on campaign and Amazon is probably one of the largest of the sites to offer a number of options.
But then there are the dodgy ones who have something phishy about their numbers.
But I am talking about the chancers who send you an email or approach you on social media stating that they can put your book in front of 200,000 potential readers and sell more of your books.
This happened to me the other day when and I was invited to connect with a company offering to promote my books. Before accepting I checked their listing and went to the website on their account. There were about 10 covers on books on their front page, a small menu icon on the left hand side (do dislike that.. give me a visible list so I don’t have to play games to find out what I want.) This offered a number of different categorie, but offered no information on services offered.
In the heading it stated the same promise that they could put my books in front of 200,000 potential readers and for further information to email them directly.. In other words not giving any information about services offered or a breakdown of costs. (POV)… and getting your return email address into the bargain.
I am not planning to email to see how much those prices are because
a) I don’t want them to have my email
2) Whatever they are charging is too much.
3) The website was so poorly constructed that anything they did offer would have to be suspect.
I like to check on numbers for these people since 200,000 followers is impressive. I checked their LinkedIn and they had 136 followers there… not a good start but perhaps they had only just got started. No.. they had been on the site for over three years.
On their website were the icons to follow them on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn… guess what they all led to my accounts, not to theirs which were clearly not set up. I would need to do more sleuthing..since I was not going to find those 200,000 followers and readers they promised me that easily! They did claim however to have thousands of visitors to their site each day…but no stats were visible to back up this claim…
I clicked on one of the Book Covers and it opened in another page with the just the cover and the blurb, no author information and a buy link which took you to Amazon…
If you wanted to comment you could leave your name, email address, website information (never miss an opportunity to collect personal information) no reviews, no author details just the cover and blurb… how easy is that.
Anyway by plugging in their website address they popped up on Twitter with another 406 of the 200,000 promised potential readers…wow now up to 542. I did notice however that their last tweet was July 2015.. .perhaps I was missing something? Oh hang on a minute they had another twitter account that was current.. begun in August 2019.. with 457 followers. This indicates to me that they have been outed more than once and they have been at this for some time.
They had a couple of books in their feed that they had posted with one or two retweets. The rest were their own retweets of other authors doing their own promotion.
What concerned me when I clicked into their Twitter account was that 135 of those who follow me make up a quarter of their followers! They had been into my followers and followed more than a few to end up with 135 who followed them back. Usually something I suggest to authors who are starting out.. but not to con artists.
So I plugged in their website address into Facebook and found their account their which seemed to be current with 797 followers…okay now we are cooking 1390 followers.
I really did not know where else to look to be honest to find the remaining 198,610 promised followers.
They offer the following at a price.. I was not prepared to email them or question them online because I do not know who they really are behind their book promotion title since they are not open enough to give you a real name to deal with.
Your checklist
- Check out the marketing site offering their paid for services on their social media sites and verify any numbers they are promising to share you books to. If they look dodgy and you don’t want to share your details with them back away!
- Ask them for any authors you can contact to check how happy they are. Usually you will find that is confidential!!! Why if they have the author featured on their website! And if they won’t then go ahead and ask the question on Facebook, Twitter or any other author watering hole you frequent.
- Ask them how they come up with the numbers which they should be able to do. For example mine are visible on every site that I have a presence and they can be substantiated.
- Be very clear about what they are offering with regard to promoting your book – where, how frequently, for how long?
- If you decide to do a promotion even with one of the established marketing programmes, do a trial run and see how it goes.
- Before you go ahead with a paid promotion, look around for where you can get your book visibility to an established audience for FREE.
- If you do go ahead with a trial run, then monitor your sales activity for the following week before committing to any more.
But I hope this post will make you question any firm that is not recommended to you as producing sales for your book at a reasonable cost. And check out their promised numbers before committing your hard earned cash.
Update: Last Wednesday night I put a note on Twitter saying that I was looking into a book promotion site offering 200,000 followers and by Thursday morning they had disappeared there and on Facebook.. They still have a website and are on LinkedIn… I took screenshots and I will be following those up and seeing if I can discover who the real person is behind this scam
But be aware there are more out there and they are after your data and your links to others.
Thanks for dropping in and take care out there.. Sally.
Well done Sally. I did something similar with Author House who pop up in many different guises, and followed the Tweets. Far from my book being tweets thousands of times, it was less than 10. I did complain to Paypal and, bless them, they upheld my side and I got my money back. Lesson Learned. 99% of all sites don’t work!
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Thanks for the prompt Barbara.. It annoys me so much when authors spend so much time and effort writing and producing their books and some lowlife takes advantage.. One of the reasons I started the Cafe.. xxx
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I always check sites with Writer Beware/Victoria Strauss now too.
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Good recommendation..thanks Stevie.x
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GREAT sleuthing, Sally. Well done. Would love to see the figures for some of the others.
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I think you will find they are about the same, I think you are pretty safe with both Amazon and Goodreads as they are established. I am emailing you about Myrtle Makes a New Friend. hugsxx
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Nothing worse than a scam to take your money, making promises that they can’t prove.
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Quite.. but they keep coming up with new schemes.. One quick way for them to disappear is to ask for a breakdown of their claimed following.. xx
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Thanks for the heads-up, Sally. 🙂
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Thanks Bette..hugsx
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That 200,000 figure sounds familiar. I think I’ve gotten spammy emails from them. I just go, Yeah, right, 200,000–delete! Then there are the others that promise to Twitter bomb your book. (Is that what it’s called to mass Tweet he same book promotion over and over and over and over ad infinitum?)
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Yes and everyone is sick of the sight of it after the first three tweets.. xx
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Wow, Sally. The craziness is everywhere. Thanks so much for your hard work on this one. ❤
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Great sleuthing Sal. You’ve investigated everything I would have too, except, I wouldn’t have bothered going as far as you did, lol. I read an article awhile ago (can’t remember whose) talking about paying for tweets is a waste of money. That’s enough sleuthing for me, lol. Great share! ❤ xx
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Thanks Debby.. I was invited on LinkedIn and when I saw the number they were offering I smelt fish..or worse..hugs ♥
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Great red flag!! ❤
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Good detective work, Sally. There are more and more scam artists out to try to take our money.
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There are Mary.. you cannot take people at their word unfortunately and before parting with money need to ask some pointed questions. However, some can be very plausible. hugsx
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Excellent sleuthing, Sally. I have a problem with all sites promising a number of readers. Yeah, so what? If you are unknown you can be put in front of millions of reader but who says they will buy your book? Great job.
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Thanks John.. I hope it reminds people to check things out… hugs ♥
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Unfortunately there will be many authors who don’t smell a rat until its too late with sites like that one
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I agree, they are very persuasive and dangle these fantastic numbers of potential readers, safe in the knowledge that people will not check out their sites to establish true numbers..
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You did a great job of investigating. There are so many marketing scams out there. It makes my head spin!
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I know Barbara.. which is why checking them out is so important.. both Amazon and Goodreads at least have substantiated numbers when they offer paid for programmes and there are several free book marketing opportunities such as here and on The Story Reading Ape, interview opportunities, reviewers etc with verified followers..hugs
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Authors would get a better return by doing their book promos on blogs like yours and mine – for FREE, Sally 🤗❤️🤗
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No kidding Chris… and some are taking advantage of novice authors in particular which is despicable. ♥♥
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Thank you very much for the investigation Sally! Great work which could save a lot of earnings. Michael
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I hope so Michael..cannot stand con artists..hugsx
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We will find and exterminate them. 😉
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Lol.. we will Michael.. at least expose them….hugsx
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Excellent detective work, Sally. Well done you! I am, nowadays, very cautious…Hugs xx
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Good Joy.. well worth checking them out..hugs
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Fabulous sleuthing there Sally! Everyone and his dog is into making money without supplying the goods these days. ❤
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Thanks Jo.. you are so right..and hope all is good with you.. ♥
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